Joe DiMaggio - Should Pete Rose be in the National Baseball Hall of Fame?

Should Pete Rose be in the National Baseball Hall of Fame?

If you choose to answer this question please make a logical argument. Consider the circumstances surrounding hall of fame inductees both past and present.

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Absolutely. He was one of the greatest players without question. If he did drugs, he'd be in. If he raped, killed or robbed, he'd be in.
yes there is no proof he bet on baseball
He and Joe Jackson should both be put in the Hall of Fame. For Joe Jackson it can be statistically proven that he did not try to throw the World Series. As said many times before with the Pete Rose situation, it's not the goodie goodie Hall of Fame. It's the Baseball Hall of Fame and it should have the players that played the best baseball.
Yes I think he should. Yes he did something wrong by betting on baseball. He was one of the greatest hitters the game saw. I dont think what he did should be a lifetime ban. He didnt cheat to get the numbers he posted throughout his career. Meanwhile you have these guys who all juiced up on steroids, and cheated to get those numbers they posted and records they broke. Thats more of a disgrace than what rose did. They ruined the history books. the hr records in baseball cant be taken seriously anymore cause of them. But they are alowed on the ballot. Go figure!!
Yes, he deserves to be in the Hall based on his play, not minor infractions afterwards.
absolutely NOT serriously now yes the man was one of the all time best base hitters in the game. but regardless...he was a cheater. that is just like saying "should bonds be considered one of the greatest power hitters of his time?" well yes bonds did it, but does he deserve it? NO me being a highschool baseball player right now i know that if i was to ever break any records or be awarded something as honorable as the title of "HALL OF FAMER" yes it would be awesome. but truley as a player id know i didnt deserve it if i had done something to get me that extra step other than working hard. rose was a disgrace to baseball. he is like all the other hotshot pro players. a cheater. so no. i disagree strongly with what everyone is saying he never earned his spot.
I wonder how many times this question's been asked
NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO WAY! he should not be allowed anywhere the HOF, not even as a paying customer. The fact that he betted on games (even while managing) and signed an agreement to his banning. For years he said he never betted on games. It wasn't until he wrote a book, and then tried to solicit pity from everyone. I have no pity for someone like pete rose. He made his bed, now he has to sleep in it.
If they let America vote, I think he would be in for sure. There are not too many players that play the game as he did. He always left it on the field and played at the top of his ability. He never quit. He gave it his all in every play of every game. Look at what the sport has become. A lot of steroid addicts trying to break records by breaking the rules that make it a game. A lot of players do anything they can to cheat to make themselves look better, and in the end everyone gets hurt. Their bodies will suffer at some point from the abuse, and kids watching the game are hurt because they think they need to be like their hero. Let's be honest! How many people would actually be in the Hall if they only allowed people in that never broke the rules. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone. We all make mistakes and yes I think there is consequence for that, but I think he has paid over and over again. "Mr Hustle" deserves his spot in the Hall!
yes he should be , I watched tapes of him and he was a great player/ even if he did the crimes he is still entitled to be in the hall of fame..
NO. AND I THOUSAND TIMES NO. HE BET ON BASEBALL.
of course
Pete Rose admits he bet on baseball as a Manager of The Cincinati Reds. He admits that he bet on his own team. People say,"What is the big deal" Let's say he put $25000 on a game in July. He has a young pitcher who is 19 years old pitching a gem but says he is tired. Most managers would take him out, but since Rose had $25000 on the game, he is more worried about this game than this players future Another argument against him going in is that it says in every single dugout and clubhouse that if you bet on baseball, you should be banned from baseball for life. All that being said, this all happened after his playing career ended. That is where it gets tricky. Assuming he never bet on baseball while he was playing, should we ignore the fact that he did as a manager? I mean, he would be voted in as a player, not as a manager, so maybe what he did while he was a manager should be irrelevant My opinon is that he should be banned from baseball for life, including old timers days and the like .... but should be in the baseball hall of fame for his accomplishments as a player
Absolutely not. Let’s examine two different premises. First, let’s say that Pete Rose bet on Reds games. Why? He was gambling large enough sums to make itconceivable that he could be offered the chance toretire gambling debts by non-financial means. How? Understand first that I am not casting aspersions on this individual; I think he just showed poor judgement. But, when Grady Little went to the mound in game 7 (03 LCS), ships at sea and babes in arms knew that Pedro Martinez had had it. I even noted a pitching change on my scoresheet, and I sure I wasn’t alone in doing so. Further, after every game, what do we hear but people second-guessing the managers about something. My contention here is that it’s very easy for a manager to leave a pitcher in one batter too long, to give a red light to a base stealer, to not start the runners with one out and runners on, etc. Every year that Rose managed the Reds, they were predicted to win the division. And every year that he managed the team, they finished less than 6 games back – that’s less than 1 game per month of the season. And only he knows if any of the much-discusses moves or lack thereof were made because of poor judgement or in order to retire debts. Even if he didn’t bet directly on Reds games, he still bet on baseball. He’s now admitted what we had all known for 14 years. Why is this so bad? As a manager, Pete Rose was privy to scouting reports on other teams. He had friends associated with other teams. He had an agent who had clients on other teams. He also had team members who had friends on other teams and who had agents with clients on other teams. He was therefore in a position to have information about other teams and about players on other teams that you and I did not have. And having this information, he would of course have used it in betting on baseball. The problem here, therefore, is not that he bet on baseball. The problem is not something that would be subject to a criminal investigation by the vice squad. It’s something that would be subject to a criminal investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission – it’s called inside trading. And if you don’t think that that’s serious, talk to Martha Stewart. So, why did Rose admit to gambling on baseball? He had only one or two years of HOF eligibility left with the writers. But he has a better chance of being voted in by the writers than he does if he has to wait for the veterans committee – men who were also bound by the no gambling on baseball rule and who (presumably) followed that rule. Why wouldn’t they resent that he didn’t follow the rules? Why would they therefore vote him into the HOF? For those who say that he did this only after he finished his playing career, I remind you that Pete Rose was the last player-manager in MLB.
Absolutely not.One he has never admittted to Bud Selig that he betted on baseball.
No he should not be in the HOF. He bet on baseball and then lied about it for years. He could have bet on his own team that he managed and then could have determined the outcome of games. There's no way we can tell. He's a crook and in the same league as Mark Mcgwire and Barry Bonds.
I grew up watching him play. He was the greatest player as far as hustle and determination. He did not have the greates god given talent of all the players in his era, but he overcame all that with hustle and the will to win. I would put him in the HOF simply because his on the field accomplishments were not tarnished by what he did after he was done playing. There are players in the hall, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, who disgraced the game while they were playing and merit was not taken away by what they accomplished on the field.
No, never..... He bet on baseball there is just no excuse or justification for that. Not only did he mess with the integrity of the game he also threw himself under the bus about who he is as a person. Personal financial gain over the integrity of the game should not place you in a category that celebrates you as a baseball player.
YES YES YES from Cincinnati
No because Pete lied about betting on baseball it with a straight face for so many years then turned around and admitted it. The Hall of Fame should be reserved for honest players and not liars. Ty Cobb was a womanizer, boozer and a bum , but he never lied or cheated and that's why he made it.
To reiterate what I have said once before, and will continue to do so No, not no way, not no how. Imagine this scenario... You take your kid to Cooperstown, young, impressionable, but he's going to do more than hear about the legends of the game.... he'll see them Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Johnny Bench to name a few.. you read all thier accolades, and then you get to Mr. Rose.... what would it say? 3 World Series, 3 batting titles, 4256 career hits, and at the bottom, as a little sidenote.... Rose agreed to permanent ineligibility from baseball amidst accusations that he gambled on baseball games while playing for and managing the Reds; some accusations claimed that he bet on, and even against, the Reds. HE ACCEPTED HIS FATE in 1989, now he has to live with it!!!!!! For crying out loud, he pleaded guilty to tax evasion charges in 1990 for gambling (among other things). In 2004 in his book he admitted to betting on baseball. He violated the code of conduct in baseball... He's a cheat. So my answer is NO,NO, NEVER, EVER ,EVER..... He doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, if not for the sake of ourselves, then for the sake of generations to come. THE HALL IS THE HALL OF FAME NOT THE HALL OF THE INFAMOUS!!!!
Absolutely. 4256 hits, 746 doubles,1314 rbis He may have bet on baseball. There is no proof. And that was when he was a manager anyway. He is the all time hit king. He deserves it.
I say no and I am a big Pete Rose fan.He admitted he bet on baseball and the rules simply state that if one bets on baseball they will be banned for life.He knew the rules and he knew what he was doing.
I agree that he cheated. HE DID NOT HOWEVER CHEAT TO BOOST HIS GAME. THIS IS NOT LIKE BONDS WHO CHEATED WITH STEROIDS. He should be a HOF.
Of course he belongs in the Hall of Fame. He made one freaking mistake. This is a game. Even our own Constitution of the United States had a big mistake in it - remember Slavery? Guess what - we got over it!!! Baseball is not sacrosanct! It used to ban black players - but guess what - we go over it!!! So, unless you want to condemn baseball for their big mistake, let Pete in, his accomplishments on the field are captured in the stats - let the stats stand on their merit.
Yes. There are players in the Hall who definitely cheated. For example, Babe Ruth used amphetamines (heck so did a lot of players back then), Gaylord Perry threw a spitter even though that was illegal when he threw it (All pitchers after Burleigh Grimes were not allowed to throw spitters), George Brett was caught with pine tar. Also, other players did reprehensible things too. Cap Anson refused to play any black players. Kirby Puckett was accused of a sex crime. Also, 80's players caught doing coke are still eligible. Pete Rose's "infraction" didn't affect the outcome of a game (he didn't bet on his own team or against it), and he should have just been removed from his managerial duties and fined heavily, not barred from going into the Hall of Fame for his record number of hits for a career by a ridiculous margin. And put Shoeless Joe Jackson in the Hall. Look at his numbers, he wasn't throwing the Series.
I think he should cause all he supposedly did was gamble on baseball its not like he cheated to make his career better where Bonds will get in for having the most home runs and hes been on steroids for ever.
No he should not. He admitted to betting on baseball games played by the team he was managing. It was a well known rule that is posted in every clubhouse in the league. He has been banned from baseball according to an agreement that he signed and banned individuals are not eligible for induction. That seems a closed case, to me. The only other past players for whom comparison is applicable are the Chicago White Sox players who were banned in 1920 for throwing the WS. They are still banned and not in the HoF. There are other players who have been disgraced by commiting crimes, or drugs but that doesn't mean being banned.
We should only consider admitting Pete Rose after we have allowed "Shoeless" Joe Jackson to enter the Hall of Fame.
No and No.
yes because if they would let bonds in for steroids there is no reason they shouldnt let rose not get in for betting on baseball
yes, yes, yes.
I think he should be inducted to the HOF. I think that because I think it should be the stats that should matter. He did this good without an performance enhancing drugs. I also agree with the first guy that Joe jackson should be in the HOF as well.
i personally don't like pete rose. i think he's a complete idiot and the only reason he told the truth was to sell his book. however, players should be judged for their performance on the field and not off. i would def vote him in.
Yes because he never gave anything less than 100% while playing baseball and was a damn good player.
i say yes because rose worked hard to get those numbers and that was all skill and talent,not some drug he took.yes he betted on baseball but not while he was a player.so what he did as a player should be considered.
OK, as a lifelong baseball fanatic, amateur player & umpire for countless years, & owner of a collegiate wooden bat team I read each & every response w interest & objectivity (well I tried) I have to address several gross misstaements of FACT regarding this issue. 1) There IS proof he not only that Rose bet on baseball, but that he bet on games involving his own team. His fingerprints on betting slips are irrefutable. 2) There is NO PROOF he EVER bet against his team. 3) The sign posted in every baseball locker room says betting on baseball is prohibited.....it doesn't specify a lifetime ban as stated by one response. 4) To call Rose a CHEATER is a misplaced conclusion based upon documented evidence. No MLB official has ever accused or even inferred Rose may have fixed games or actually cheated in any manner. Comparisons between admitting McGwire, Bonds, or any alleged/admitted steroid user to the HOF w Rose's situation are ill conceived and problematic because enhancing your body w chemicals WOULD be cheating......betting while clearly forbidden is NOT cheating, & has no bearing on statistical achievements. References to Joe Jackson ARE appropriate, & I believe he belongs in the HOF, keeping him out was an act of personal revenge perpetrated by Commissioner Landis, & not addressed today by MLB because they have plenty of damaging controversy without going there, & Bud Selig has other personal agendas requiring less courage to champion. So, to sum up, Rose did bet on baseball, he voluntarily signed a lifetime ban, & he has NEVER apologized for his indiscretions, altho he has acknowledged them. The point of my rant....? Pete Rose was the best hitter in the history of baseball, played 5 positions w All Star caliber results, & gave more to the game in effort & hustle than players possessing superior talent. I think Rose is a great example of a man, a human being like the rest of us to use as a role model teaching any child about life!! He had an exemplary work ethic which never varied thoughout his long career. Dedication, commitment to succeed, & loyalty to his teammates were something any of us should aspire to. Then....he screwed up!! BIG TIME !! No denying it he violated a trust & broke the 1st commandment of baseball, & he has been punished for his indiscretion. Isn't that something we teach children as well?? You break the rules, you accept the punishment attached. Personally, I don't agree the punishment must be a lifetime of shame & denial of previous stellar performance...forgive & forget....isn't that what we all expect when we do something wrong?? Obviously I think the HOF deserves to have Rose, just as he deserves his plaque at the HOF....w one condition.......I still need that apology......nothing prolonged necessarily, but a public , heartfelt APOLOGY for letting us all down by violating that trust.
The man had over FOUR THOUSAND HITS. That alone destroys any argument he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
The day that Bonds is put in? there will be a big upheaval, to reinstate Rose. Two Bads, don't get one in the door.
Gambling is the one major sin in Major League Baseball. It almost shut the game down in the early 1900s. Every player contract, and every locker room has a posting warning against even mingling with gamblers, much less gambling. Pete Managed the Reds to second place finishes with the same team that Lou Piniella won the World Series with. Pete also, after lying for years, admitted that he gambled. What do his actions tell us? That even though he was a fierce competitor, he threw games. He fixed competitions and that is Baseball's cardinal sin. He will never get in, nor should he. While he didn't rape, murder, or drug his way to the top, he did rape baseball, and as such, should be punished.